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The feminization of the Medal of Honor – Part III

Editors Note: You can see Bryan Fischer’s Part I of the Medal of Honor By Clicking Here. You can see Part II by Clicking Here. You can See Part III by Clicking Here. And you can See His Latest On the Subject by Clicking Here.

By Bryan Fischer

I was a guest on Thom Hartmann’s television program last night, and his opening question revealed that the out-of-the-mainstream media has done the same thing to me that Alan Grayson did to “Taliban Dan” Webster: so badly twisted and distorted my words that they are accusing me of saying the exact opposite of what I actually said.

Hartmann asked me up front why I didn’t think Sgt. Salvatore Giunta should have been given the Medal of Honor, and appeared shocked when I informed him that I not only  think he is eminently deserving of the award but had said so in the first line of my column about the issue. So Hartman clearly had not read a word I wrote, and was basing his interpretation of my column entirely on what other people said I said.

So it’s not as if my column has been read and then misinterpreted; it hasn’t even been read.

My point in all this is that we appear to have reached a point in awarding the MOH that we are squeamish about awarding to those who “take the hill” as well as awarding to those who throw themselves on a grenade to save their comrades.

As I expressed clearly, I believe both types of gallantry should be awarded our nation’s highest honor. My question is simply why we aren’t honoring more of the “take the hill” soldiers.

The Bible says we are to give “honor to whom honor is owed” (Romans 13:7). The nation clearly owed honor to Sgt. Giunta for his selfless heroism, and I and everyone I know applauded the award.

But if we are not also giving the award to the “take the hill” soldiers, then we are systematically depriving them of the honor due them. The problem is not that we are honoring the wrong people but that we aren’t honoring enough of the right people.

I received an angry phone call Thursday from a soldier who had done tours of duty in Iraq, and who had called to insist that I pull my original column down and issue an apology to the nation.

As we talked, it became clear that he hadn’t read my column either, and mistakenly thought I had said Sgt. Giunta was undeserving of the award. As I read the portions of my column in which I praised Sgt.Giunta and said he was eminently deserving of the award for imitating the sacrificial heroism of Christ himself, he calmed down and we ended the conversation quite amicably.

I reminded him that no “take the hill”  MOH awards had yet been given during our conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. You’ve been to Iraq, I said. Is it possible that there simply have been no noteworthy displays of such bravery in either war?

He said of course not, and immediately recounted the exploits of one officer who led his men into battle against an enemy position, a soldier who received numerous wounds but refused to stop leading the advance until he and his men had secured their objective and had inflicted significant casualties on the enemy. He did receive a combat award, but not the MOH.

So I said,”Andy, that’s exactly what I’m talking about! Why wasn’t he given the Medal of Honor? If anyone is deserving of it, he certainly is!” He didn’t have an explanation, and mumbled something about the award system being political at the stage of the MOH. I said, “Andy, that’s exactly my point! For political reasons, we are not giving our ultimate award to heroes who take out the bad guys in pursuit of a military objective.”

As my interview with Thom Hartmann progressed, I made the standard observation that the purpose of the military is “to kill people and break things” so our families can sleep safely at night. He disagreed. No, he said, the purpose of the military is to protect our national security. Yes, I said, and it does that by killing people and breaking things. He steadfastly refused to accept that proposition, as if it were possible for our military to defend our national security without actually bombing anything or shooting anybody. That is the kind of Pollyanna-ish folly that makes me glad that Mr. Hartmann is not in charge of nation’s defense.

When I made the point about our failure to honor the “take the hill” soldiers at the end of my interview, Mr. Hartmann made my case for me. He essentially agreed with my view, that we aren’t doing that any longer, and said that perhaps the reason we no longer give our highest award for bravery to “take the hill” soldiers is that we as a society have “evolved” past the point where we think that such killing ought to be honored. He made my point better than I could have made it myself, and didn’t even realize he was doing it.

So I say it’s time we get back to an evenhanded application of the biblical truth that we are to give “honor to whom honor is owed.” Let us continue to honor our brave soldiers who expose themselves to lethal risk to save their fellow soldiers. Such courage is entirely worthy of our highest honor. But let’s not forget to also honor some “take the hill” soldiers along the way.

(Unless otherwise noted, the opinions expressed are the author’s and do not necessarily reflect the views of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.)

The Moral Liberal contributing editor, Bryan Fischer, is Director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy at the American Family Association, and is the host of the daily ‘Focal Point’ radio talk program on AFR Talk, a division of the American Family Association. ‘Focal Point’ airs live from 1-3 pm Central Time, and is also simulcast on the AFA Channel, which can be seen on the Sky Angel network.

  • Chinn Romney

    I am sure that there are many who didn’t read your article. But your premise remains bogus. Seems to me you’re ignoring that and trying to distract attention away from it. You blew it in the very first paragraph of Part I. Sounds like YOU didn’t bother to read the citation! Sgt Giunta killed 1, wounded another, as part of the operation.

  • Francis Marion

    During World War Two there were 464 Medals of Honor awarded. This was in 4 and half years of all out warfare in two theaters with hundreds of millions of men in battle. Four hundred Medals of Honor is a vanishingly small percentage of the number of those who deserved medals. It’s a matter of scale. At its peak, the surge had 170,000 troops in Iraq. America lost 400,000 killed in World War Two.
    We have lost about 4,000 men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan. The 101st Airborne lost 1700 in World War II – in other words, a unit the size of the forces we added to Iraq for the surge lost as almost half as many men in 2 years as we’ve lost in a decade of conflict.

    The criteria for the Medal of Honor are extremely high. The two service crosses and the Silver Star require tremendous valor. Given the rarity of “take the hill” battles, the significantly smaller number of troops deployed, our overwhelming ability to destroy enemy forces with airpower (if you read the citations, the actions of the soldiers are often made out of necessity or extremity of the situation — if you can radio up an airstrike and take out the enemy without lifting a finger, no smart soldier (and our soldiers are very very smart) you whistle up the air support…) the odds that there have been very many non desperation storm the hill battles that went beyond the heroism involved in the Bronze/Silver stars and the service crosses is really very very small.

    In the Civil War, the Medal of Honor was awarded for capturing enemy battle flags – a real show of courage — NONE have been awarded since the Civil War for such actions. My God, what a bunch of wusses we’ve become.

  • gerald

    so as a christian its good to kill people and break there things? i know the ten commandments have something to say about that but i am pretty sure the jesus would also have a huge problem with that. the man even washed the feet of his betrayer. and the military’s job is to preserve peace not to engage in war. we engage in war when it is absolutely necessary and the killing and breaking of things is not treated lightly. the strongest military doesnt even have to engage the enemy they just have to make the enemy not want to fight. or “For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.” you continue to talk about things you have never experienced, which saddens me.

  • Scott Jacobs

    You just have to keep digging this hole, don’t you…

    Yes, the military’s job is to kill people and break this.

    Which is why “killing a bunch of people” and “Breaking all the things” isn’t even close to being enough to earn a MOH.

    I once had it explained to me that the MOH is for actions that, upon having them described to you, you either assume the story is a complete lie, or that the person who committed the acts should be in a mental ward for doing something so amazingly foolish/crazy.

    Things that no one, ever, would think less of someone for NOT doing.

    I hope you never hear about Desmond Doss, Bryan. You’d be convinced that the US Army has been wearing dresses and pining for the captain of the football team since WWII.

    Seriously, stop shopping your idiocy around, Bryan. You just make yourself look like an even bigger fool.

  • http://www,blackfive.net McQ

    Nice strawman with Hartmann, Mr. Fischer. The usual fallback of the guy who wants to distance himself from what he said is to try to change the subject and/or claim people aren’t reading what he wrote.

    YOU brought up “feminization” and claimed it was a “trend”. Other than the title, I notice a conspicuous absence of those words or claims in this, the third column. YOU have been unable to support your premise. You’re now into weasel wording and subject changing in an attempt to salvage your battered ego.

    The first commenter got it right – your premise is bogus. Has been since your first post. You continue to be uninformed about the subject. As I pointed out before, if SSG Miller’s MOH for Afghanistan isn’t about “taking the hill” then there’s never been an MOH for doing so – and the fact that Miller’s exists – FOR AFGHANISTAN – completely destroys your premise (and you even acknowledged being uniformed about Miller in an email to me).

    You seem to not understand the nature of the war in either theater or the fact that it is our troops that are the aggressors. You want to equate what is happening in SE Asia with the great land wars of WWII. Not even close. Or as some would say, “apples and oranges”.

    Miller was eventually killed on an OFFENSIVE operation where our guys went in to a Taliban stronghold to root them out. Miller took down about 20 of them himself before he was mortally wounded. He also called in close air support that took out many more. Anyone who reads this comment and is unfamiliar with SSG Robert James Miller, as was Mr. Fischer, please go look him up and read his citation.

    You also completely mangled McGurn’s piece to fit your bogus premise about feminization. Obviously the word is a pejorative in your lexicon. You applied it to the selection process that awarded the MOH to SSG Giunta. You can’t seem to understand that you’ve tarnished that award by implication based in your pejorative use of “feminization”.

    I’ve answered your nonsense twice now on the milblog BlackFive. I’ll continue to do so as long as you push it out there. You’re out of your depth, uninformed and continue to look foolish as you continue to double down while crawfishing as well – a difficult trick.

    False pride, perhaps?

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  • LongTabSigO

    Mr. Fischer:

    If you think you’ve been wronged, set up a debate against any of your detractors. I’m sure one of the commenters you charge as having “twisted your words” would be happy to settle the issue.

    (I won’t expend much time waiting for such an event to occur.)

  • MikeyBinMike

    MOH level heroism has been prevalent throughout the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and has indeed been under-awarded, but not because of a feminized selection process or a focus on awarding acts of self-sacrifice over aggressive action. You are ignorant on two counts that are central to your argument, 1. that the MOH hasn’t been awarded in recent years for “aggressive” action against the enemy, and 2. that our army’s ultimate purpose is not to “kill people and break things” but to apply military force in pursuit of a political objective. I’ll address the second first because it’s simpler and it’s far more alarming to hear a man (and a Christian no less) proclaiming this than it is that our MOH awarding process has been feminized.

  • http://www.justbarkingmad.com Quilly Mammoth

    Let’s be clear. Bryan Fischer is a sanitized version of Phreaky Phreddy Phelps. Comments on his page that show that the percentage of medals given for “taking it to the enemy” are the same for today’s conflicts as they were for Vietnam are simply ignored. Fischer ignores them because they disturb the narrative that America is going soft because of “Teh Ghey Menace”.

    At least “Rev.” Phelps has the guts to say what he believes whereas Mr. Fischer couches his beliefs in words like “feminization”.

  • MikeyBinMike

    MOH level heroism has been prevalent throughout the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and has indeed been under-awarded, but not because of a feminized selection process or a focus on awarding acts of self-sacrifice over aggressive action. You are ignorant on two counts that are central to your argument, 1. that the MOH hasn’t been awarded in recent years for “aggressive” action against the enemy, and 2. that our army’s ultimate purpose is not to “kill people and break things.” I’ll address the second first because it’s simpler and it’s far more alarming to hear a man (and a Christian no less) proclaiming this than it is that our MOH awarding process has been feminized. You have clearly exposed yourself as a man who has neither participated in war, nor attempted any academic research of the subject. The aim of war is Not to kill people and break things. If it were, the United States has proved itself the biggest fool in the international community for not simplydropping atomic bomb on Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Lebanon, Grenada, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The aim of war, and thus the aim of our armed forces, is to apply military force to achieve political ends. Within this framework there are all kinds of acts of valor, the majority of which are committed by soldiers whose main concern is the soldiers on their left and right. What you seem to fail to comprehend is that Every MOH has been awarded to a man who committing the ultimate act of self-sacrifice by going above and beyond the call of duty to protect their fellow soldiers from the enemy, either directly by throwing themselves on a grenade, or indirectly by “taking the hill” so that the enemy cannot attack his fellow soldiers from it. In regards to your first misunderstanding, you must simply be ignorant of the circumstances behind the awarding of the MOHs in these wars. That is to say, you are guilty of”the same willful ignorance you are accussing your detractors of. To claim that a man jumping on .50 caliber machine gun, exposing himself to fire, and then shooting down 50 enemy combatants isn’t “aggressive action” is on par with claiming claiming your original article isn’t a degradation of the award given to SSG Giunta. I hope you have the decency and humility commensurate of a true Christian to recognize your mistake and apologize for it.

  • MikeyBinMike

    Apologies for the double entry and grammatical errors, I was writing from a cell phone

  • shayna

    I think that saving life deserves a MOH more so than taking the hill. People can take the hill and lose the hill. However, saving life is vastly more important.

    What you did, Mr. Bryan Fischer is SHAMEFUL. Not only did you insult the women in the audience with your term “feminization”. Even, more importantly you disparaged a good man, who deserves all the honor afforded to him, for saving a fellow Soldier from the enemy.

    It is shameful what you did. If you had concerns about a “trend”, you could have waited until another time to talk a bunch of stuff. I think you tried to discredit a fine man because of his race. I can come up with no other reason you would talk a bunch of trash about this paticular MOH other than the gentleman’s race. God bless you Mr. Bryan Fischer.

  • Christoph

    1. Several of the recent MOH citations were giving for being courageous while inflicting casualties. Inflicting enemy casualties also tends to “save lives” of American soldiers.
    2. Several of the older, historical MOH citations were given for courageously saving lives Ior even providing an inestimable effect on American soldiers’ morale) without inflicting enemy casualties.
    3. Do you not understand the award is given for courage in the face of enemy fire — courage, sir — and NOT for lethality?

    The Medal of Honor is designed to award conspicuous gallantry, not enemy-killing prowess, although can be overlap

    “conspicuously by gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his or her life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in action against an enemy … The deed performed must have been one of personal bravery or self-sacrifice so conspicuous as to clearly distinguish the individual above his or her comrades and must have involved risk of life.”

    including in Iraq and Afghanistan U.S. military MOH winners.

    I realize you’re not getting this, but it’s awarded for the incredible courage, not the killing of foes.

    To say that the MOH awarding process is has become feminized is just a false and blatant slur against the men who hold it for their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. Read the citations and learn something about those wars.

    Patrolling, by the way, is an aggressive act to probe the enemy. As are special operations deep in enemy territory.

  • Joel C.

    A thought comes to mind:

    Why don’t you just apologize? What do you honestly stand to lose by apologizing for just saying something wrong and stupid? You’re not running for office, this isn’t an academy where you’ll lose tenure: this is a blog, or series of blogs. If you think that any of the men (or women) here are perfect or pretend to be perfect, you’re out of your mind.

    I think you’d save more face if you just came out and apologized for the comment, humbly recognize your faults, thank those here for correcting you and showing your human. It isn’t a sign of weakness, you know.

    Or….you can continue going down this road, which seems to be working oh-so-well for you.

    Your choice.

  • Linda

    I did read your article – more than once. I think that when you used the term, “We have feminized the Medal of Honor.”, that you meant to imply a bad change in how the Medal of Honor was awarded. You indicated that in the last 2 wars we haven’t rewarded “killing people”, but only “saving people” – although you later acknowledge that both are important. I would like to see the facts of who was recognized and for what in previous wars before I accept that there’s any validity in your premise. It probably would have been a less offensive statement had you said that we appeared to recognize only saving lives – and not taking lives of the enemy. I don’t have a problem with that statement (other than as noted, I can’t tell from your article if the facts bear out your argument. However, I do find it amusing that you find saving lives to be a feminine trait (“we’ve feminized the Medal of Honor”) and that you managed to make it appear to be a negative statement about the Medal of Honor. If you didn’t mean to do that, well, then you need to rework your article for more clarity. If you meant to make a negative point by equating feminization and saving lives, well, I’ll take that negative any time. I think you need to quit telling everyone else that they are misunderstanding what you meant and consider that perhaps your article is at fault for the confusion (if it is indeed confusion). Your second and third articles quote a lot of things, but it just sounds like a lot of babel to not just say “Hey, I blew it. I really meant to ask if we couldn’t reward those who killed a lot of people in addition to those who save lives – and I think we used to do that – although I’m not going to go look up the facts to help make my point. Just trust me.” And – oh, by the way – somewhere in there, you probably ought to apologize for the implication that women or feminine traits are the cause of whatever argument you are trying to make. I think you blew this all on your own.

  • Jesse

    It’s not surprising that a person who sees a homosexual boogieman at every turn has a problem with women. Do people who cling to scripture ever believe they are wrong?

  • Harvey

    Bryan-
    I have read all three of your posts, have understood the premise which you advance, and I still disagree with you.

    I have served 22 years in uniform – 18 as a combat arms Marine – and am preparing to continue my service as a chaplain; so I understand both the military and Christian principles you claim to stand upon.

    If I have correctly read your underlying thought, you believe that the award of the MOH is appropriate for saving lives, yet also believe that it should be awarded for purely “offensive” reasons; where violence of actions result in obtaining military objectives. Where the resulting body count is so high that none could dispute the courage needed to obtain such a victory. You want to see Sampson rewarded for slaying 1,000 enemy with the jawbone of an ass. I get that.

    However, in response I would say that the Medal of Honor has never been about how many of the enemy one has killed. In fact, I would go so far as to say that nearly every valorous award has had some element of lifesaving attached to it. When Mitch Paige charged down Bloody Ridge in Guadalcanal cradling a .30 cal. machine gun in his arms, it was to protect Henderson Airfield from being overrun by Japanese hordes – he was saving the lives of his fellow Marines. When Audie Murphy stood alone on the top of a tank manning its .50 cal. against repeated German assaults, he did so to protect his men – to save their lives.

    Show me a medal awarded for valorous conduct in combat, and I will show you how it is, in ways great or small, attached to the concept of protecting and/or saving the lives of the recipient’s comrades.

    Finally, your insistence on using the word “feminization” has a broadly sexist, negative connotation – as has been pointed out by McQ and others. You mean it in a negative way, as though it is somehow improper or “unmanly” for a combat soldier to display (what you view as) feminine tendencies. You at least believe that “manly” actions – killing people and breaking things – deserve just as much recognition as the “feminine” act of lifesaving. Since when is that an area that belongs solely to women? No less a personage than Jesus Christ stated explicitly that “the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.” (Luke 19:10) Yes, he did so by defeating the enemy, but the mere destruction of Satan and his minions wasn’t the end, merely a means to his ultimate goal of saving humanity.

    Response?

  • The Elder

    Who would Jesus bomb? That’s my only question.

  • http://www.billoblog.com billo

    The question I have is why do you focus on the saving of lives as a “feminine” issue? Your premise that the focus of the MOH has changed is, of course, incorrect, but even if it were true, why do you say it is “feminization?”

    Personally, if your premise was true, I would think you would be ecstatic not because of the “feminization” of the MOH, but because of the “Christianization” of it. For, after all, there is (or should be) no other group more focused on the saving of souls and lives than Christians, and a focus on that salvation within the Judeo-Christian culture should be seen as a commanding victory for the Christian perspective.

    But no. Instead, you have to view everything not through the spiritual view of salvation, but through the fleshly view of sexuality. How odd for a person who purports to preach the faith to so quicky abandon it in the focus on sex.

    And, in doing so, you find yourself perverting the very meaning of the Christ’s sacrificial atonement. Indeed, Christ defeated death by his resurrection, and His victory over evil is assured. But His sacrifice is not celebrated primarily, as you seem to claim, by the damage and pain He caused His enemies. His sacrifice is celebrated because of the *salvation* He provides.

    You provide a quote from Paul in his letter to the Colossians about the victory of Jesus, yet you ignore what Jesus Himself said about his purpose: “For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.” (John 12:47) or, as the author of 1 Timothy wrote: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.” How “feminine” of the Christ, to focus on salvation. Perhaps you can pray to get Him to change His focus to something more manly.

    Do you believe that we as Christians should stop focusing on the salvation of souls because that “feminizes” Jesus too much, and instead should concentrate on causing suffering and pain to those we see as our enemies? Somehow I don’t think the Jesus of the beatitudes would agree with you on this.

    You state that “Christianity is not a religion of pacifism.” That is, of course, partially true and partially false. Christianity is not of one voice on this and in making this simplistic and misleading statement you ignore an important dialectic within the faith. In fact, pacifism has been a strong and important voice in Christianity from the beginning — ever since Jesus healed the ear of the Roman soldier in the Garden of Gethsemane. While Tertullian notes that units of Christian soldiers served in the Roman Army under Marcus Aurelius, and did so with valor and honor, it is equally true that many early Fathers of the Church condemned the taking up of arms. For instance, Hippolytus of Rome wrote “A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.”

    We, as Christians, value life and salvation, and despise violence and killing. When those of us who do take up arms do so, we should do so with sorrow. And if the MOH is increasingly awarded to those who save lives, perhaps we should not be too concerned with the “Christianization” of the Medal of Honor.

    Perhaps you should concentrate on your Christianity and not your sexuality, and you would view such things is more spiritual light.

  • SFC Troy Johnson

    WOW! Thank you.

  • SFC Troy Johnson

    Thank you Sir, nicely said.

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